Saturn (Weiser Classics): A New Look at an Old Devil
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With this book， Liz Greene has taken a major step in the unveiling of the light of reason， so long obscured by those who have interpreted Saturn as a 'malefic' planet and， in doing so， presents a remarkably rich study of the unconscious mind， shedding light on that mysterious， elusive entity that psychology calls the self。
Saturn's darker persons is recognized universally in myth and fairytale。 Here， Dr。 Greene traces his character through sign， house， aspect， and synastry in a brilliant analysis which reveals his other face: that of the Initiator who， for the price of our honesty， offers us greater consciousness， self-understanding and， eventually， freedom。
Reviews
Anita Ashland
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A very helpful astrological guide to Saturn。 She goes through Saturn in the houses， Saturn aspects and synastry。
Erika Jost
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I tried。 The introduction and conclusion contain some thoughtful observations about astrology and its changing social and psychological role。 I could not read in detail about astrological ideas themselves， which is the meat of this book。 I think a history would better suit my interests。
Kelly
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This book is basically like a psychotherapist you’ve been talking to for months and who knows the depths of your despair and the names of all your demons。
Capucine
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This book saves lives。 Thank you！
Aine
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This is a depressive， disempowering book！ If you have nothing good， kind， or helpful to write， why should you write a book？ Just to say "look how smart I am？ it doesn't matter if I say disempowering things"。 So many negative stories for some people while maybe for others good ones （the people with good reviews here probably - otherwise I really can't understand how one can write a good review to this） - I just stop reading after so much doom and gloom。 Horrible book！ Words matter， this is a dark This is a depressive， disempowering book！ If you have nothing good， kind， or helpful to write， why should you write a book？ Just to say "look how smart I am？ it doesn't matter if I say disempowering things"。 So many negative stories for some people while maybe for others good ones （the people with good reviews here probably - otherwise I really can't understand how one can write a good review to this） - I just stop reading after so much doom and gloom。 Horrible book！ Words matter， this is a dark， unhelpful book - nothing kind， nothing gentle。 。。。more
Camille
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There aren't many good books out there that focus on Saturn and what it really means in ones' chart。 If you want a true explanation of this misunderstood planet then definitely pick up this book。 There aren't many good books out there that focus on Saturn and what it really means in ones' chart。 If you want a true explanation of this misunderstood planet then definitely pick up this book。 。。。more
Torres Catriel
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Es un libro que， pese a ser "saturnino"， envejeció muy mal。 El estilo caprichoso y subjetivista de Liz Greene es insoportable para los que， ahora， estamos acostumbrados a la precisión los astrologos tradicionalistas （es decir， saturninos）。 Debe ser uno se los peores libros de Liz Greene。 Saturno es el planeta que requiere más precisión técnica para aprovecharlo。 Porque es el que más tiene que ver con la realidad concreta。 Equiparar totalmente las casas y los signos siempre es malo。 Pero en el ca Es un libro que， pese a ser "saturnino"， envejeció muy mal。 El estilo caprichoso y subjetivista de Liz Greene es insoportable para los que， ahora， estamos acostumbrados a la precisión los astrologos tradicionalistas （es decir， saturninos）。 Debe ser uno se los peores libros de Liz Greene。 Saturno es el planeta que requiere más precisión técnica para aprovecharlo。 Porque es el que más tiene que ver con la realidad concreta。 Equiparar totalmente las casas y los signos siempre es malo。 Pero en el caso de Saturno es más grave。 Uno de los peores errores del libro es cuando trata sobre Saturno en casa XII。 Liz Greene dice que es tan malo que puede arruinar hasta la mejor carta。 Ahora sabemos que la casa XII es el gozo de Saturno。 Es una dignidad accidental。 。。。more
Radiolina
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If you have ever followed astrology and you are in your 30's you know is your first saturn return。。。so if you are curious of scared about it read it！。 It has a lot of references about Jung and modern astrology and I found that inspiring。 Astrology is just a tool to know yourself better， not to think that we are all just doomed by the stars。"[The planets are]。。。continously serene， happy in the good they enjoy and the vision before them。 Each lives its own free life; each finds its own Good in its If you have ever followed astrology and you are in your 30's you know is your first saturn return。。。so if you are curious of scared about it read it！。 It has a lot of references about Jung and modern astrology and I found that inspiring。 Astrology is just a tool to know yourself better， not to think that we are all just doomed by the stars。"[The planets are]。。。continously serene， happy in the good they enjoy and the vision before them。 Each lives its own free life; each finds its own Good in its own Act; and this Act is not directed towards us" 。。。more
Zusu
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'Instead of running away from the devil， if one goes up and kisses him on the lips， he becomes the sun'A bit general in areas could have been fleshed out a bit more however very useful 'Instead of running away from the devil， if one goes up and kisses him on the lips， he becomes the sun'A bit general in areas could have been fleshed out a bit more however very useful 。。。more
Nicole
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My mind is still blown。 A great book if you want to learn more about Saturn。 Really love her sections about Saturn aspects。 Super insightful。
Damon Hunter
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Some interesting and Truthful stats regarding Saturn， the No:9 and their association to Satan， all of which were sourced from either NASA's official website or Wikipedia。There are other telling Numbers such as 13， 369 （and combo's thereof）， and most especially the No:23 （and 32， which is No:23 reversed）。The No:369 sequence is regarded as the "Key to Unlocking the Universe" by our worlds （to my mind） greatest ever inventer/scientist Nikola Tesla。The No:69 is also very relevant， as this number rep Some interesting and Truthful stats regarding Saturn， the No:9 and their association to Satan， all of which were sourced from either NASA's official website or Wikipedia。There are other telling Numbers such as 13， 369 （and combo's thereof）， and most especially the No:23 （and 32， which is No:23 reversed）。The No:369 sequence is regarded as the "Key to Unlocking the Universe" by our worlds （to my mind） greatest ever inventer/scientist Nikola Tesla。The No:69 is also very relevant， as this number represents duality ie male&female， above&below， good&evil， love&hate etc & so forth。。。。。。'all' of these numbers and what they represent can be regarded as 'mysticism' ie magick， which we are warned about in the Scriptures in Deuteronomy 18， by the Lord our God and further expanded on in John Daniels brilliant book; Scarlet and the Beast， and Alexander Hislopps， The Two Babylons。1） Saturn distance from Sun is approx 900 （No:9） million miles。2） Saturn's diameter is aporox 9 times that of Earth， or 72，ooo miles （No:9）。3） Saturn is over 9 times the mass of Earth （No:9）4） Wind speeds of up to 1，800 kph （8+1=No:9）5） Saturn is the 6th planet from Sun （inverted No:9）6） Saturn has more than 60 moons， 9 of which have yet to be provisioned （No:69）7） effective temperature is 288f; divide this by 3=96 （a possible 369 combo or just No:96）。8） Saturn density is 0。69 cm3 （possible 369 combo or No:69）。9） Saturn day equals 10。7 Earth hours， times this by 9 and you get 963。10） Saturn takes 29。4 Earth years to orbit the Sun （number 15， or 33， which is an inverted No:9）。11） Saturn has an axis/tilt of 26。73* degrees （which is 18 or again No:9）。If you take a closer look at the last two number sequences of 10） & 11）， it can be seen that if we took the figure 26。73 and times this by 9， then you come to 240。57 which I believe represents 24hrs and 57 seconds。If we then take a closer look at the sequence 29。4 it can be seen that this figure is representative of the extra day in a leap year （29 days in February） and that the 。4 represents every 4yrs。If you times the 57 seconds by 365 and then times by 4， then you come to 83，220 seconds， which is very close to to a full day of 86，400 seconds。。。。。。。。this info was not sourced from any book or website and as The Lord is my witness， I have never bought， owned， borrowed or in any way dabbled in 'the occult'。。。。。。。。all of this （and other posts） was/were shown to me （I was steered towards）， all I did was ask Him to be shown the Truth of the world （for which I am very grateful）。Take a look at leap-year stats as they change constantly by way of a tweak here & there。Search: Everything is Electric website and sub search: Was Saturn Our Sun？ and you should be guided to an intriguing post that informs the reader that 'all' the Earths early civilisations， to include the Messopotamians， Chaldeans， Chinese， Hindus， Egyptians， etc & so forth， ALL of these ancient civilisations sited Saturn as the 'primary' or best Sun。。。。。。。yet we are not taught/informed of this anywhere， let alone in school。 Emmanuel Velikovsky， a prominent Scholar who founded the University of Israel （along with his colleague Albert Einstein）， wrote a very 'non-mainstream' books entitled; Worlds in Collision & Earth in Upheavel （circa 1950）， which theorised & postulated many 'out there' ideas， for which he （Velikovsky） was given an incredibly hard time for by his 'peers' ie the mainstream。。。。。。。go and look at the reviews for Velikovky's books on Amazon to guage a better insight as to their content， which I myself do not fully agree with but there is much intriguing Biblical evidence used which is （I suspect） the real reason why Velikovsky was given such a rough time of it。。。。。。there are some great posts of ancient flood stories from different parts of the world on the same Everything is Electric website that are well worth looking at if you are interested in looking for further evidence to substantiate the Biblical narrative。The word 'plane' is Greek in origin and describes a vast expanse of level/flat land。 In mathematics the word 'plane' describes an infinite horizontal surface。The word 'planet' has no clear origins， but is described as a wanderer or wandering star。 Lucifer （Satan） was cast down to Earth （by Almighty God） in the form of a lightning bolt during a tempest "to wander the Earth"。。。。。。。the word planet is No:23 and it's well worth noting that a 'hallmark' of Lucifer/Satan， is to take something of The Lord's and warp/twist it into a version of his own， in this case the word plane， which is Truth， to planet， which is deceit ie 'a lie'。The stats for the Spring Equinox are 20th March （No:23） and Autumn is 23rd September， which is a straight No:23 and Sept is 9， add to 23=32， which is No:23 reversed。As I wrote this the stats for the Three Gorges Damm in China came on the TV。。。。。。。the damm is 181 meters high by 2309 meters wide。 The 23 and 9 we already know about but the 181 represents 18， which is 9， then take 81， which is 9x9， making a stylised 666， the Mark of Satan。。。。。。。I was then compelled to change channels where I saw the Queen Mary， the stats of which are 181 ft high， by 1，019 ft long。 I believe the 119 represents the verse 9:11 in the Book of Revelations; "And they had a king over them， which is the angel of the bottomless pit， whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon， but in the Greek hath his name Apollyon" Abaddon & Apollo are recognised as 'destroyers' in their respective cultures （Abaddon is No:23）。。。。。。。the last voyage of The Queen Mary took place on 31/10/1967 which is both No:23 reversed （31/10） and straight （1967）。David Bowie's last album Blackstar is in fact a reference to Saturn aka Satan， and Bowie was exactly 69 when he officially died（？） on the 10/01/2016 （which again is No:23， take 1+1=2 and then 2+1=3， if you invert the number 6 to make a 9， then you have number 32， which is No:23 reversed）。。。。。。Bowie was also said to have died of cancer， the star sign of which is the No:69 at a 90* angle。 On the front of the Blackstar album， you will find a collection of parts of a pentegram。 If you were to number the parts of the pentegram from 1 to 5 starting from the top， it can be seen that the parts add up to 4， 15， 11， 10， 8， 6， making 54， which is No:9， or again the No:69 if you were to include the large pentagram。。。。。。。if you were to condense the numbers down to single digits， then we 4， 6， 2， 1， 8， 6， making 27， which is No:9， or the number 33， which again is No:9 if inverted。。。。。。。furthermore， if you take the numbers 492（ top）， 357 （middle）， 816 （bottom） and stack them one above the other to make a square， it can be seen that that the number 15 （number 6 or No:9 inverted） is reached both vertically， horizontally & diagonally。 This arrangement is known as Solomon's Square and is also in reference to Saturn。。。。。。search; Saturn's North Pole and you will see images that clearly show Saturn has a geometrical hexagon formation， which 'common sense' informs us is totally at odds with our current laws of physics but people generally will readily swallow & accept 'anything' they are told today。 You need to ask yourself "where is the line？"The number sequence September the 11th 2001 looks like this when broken down; 09/11/2001， which equates No:23 straight， 9+11+2+1=No:23， or you can take 11/2001=No:23 and add the 9 to make 32， which is No:23 reversed。。。。。。。9/11 is also a direct reference to verse 9:11 Book of Revelations ie 'the destroyer'。Some stats concerning the moon Pan （No:13）， which is Saturn's most prominent moon and who's designated number is S/ 1981 S13， which translates to many sequences， to include 119， which is 911 reversed （S=1）; No:18， which is 6+6+6 and also No:9; 113 making No:23 （again S=1） which is also the No:13 on its own; all the numbers 1+9+8+1+1+3 add up to No:23。。。。。。。。。。then you have the official number for Pan which is XV111， which is No:18， which again can also be 666 or No:9。。。。。。。。。Pan was named on the 16/09/1991， which adds up to 36， which could well denote 3x6 ie 666， for if you were add 1， then 2， then 3， all the way up to 36， then you come to the number 666。。。。。。。Pan is also the 'god of the witches' and is especially known for his musical skills & for 'endowing/bestowing' these onto people （think of Prince， Bowie， Bjork， Bush， Oldfield etc。。。。even Peter Pan & The Pied Piper） also known for his attributes of lust， lasciviousness， eroticism and wild & ecstatic behaviour when 'playing the pipes'。。。。。。。Pan was referred to as the Devil by early Christians。"For we wrestle not against flesh & blood， but against principalities， against powers， against the rulers of the darkness of this world， against spiritual wickedness in high places" Ephesians 6:12"And you He made alive， who were dead in trespasses and sins， in which you once walked according to the courses of this world， according to the Prince of the power of the air， the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience， among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh， fulfilling the desires of the flesh & mind， and were by nature children of wrath， just as the others" Ephesians 2:1-3Derek Prince and his Ministry， which can be found online， has some excellent sermons explaining how the 'real' battle for our salvation is happening in "the heavenly realms" in a place you & I cannot see。。。。。。。I urge you to at least go and hear what this amazing Man of God has to offer by way of spiritual guidance （administering The Word of God）。The purpose of highlighting this info ie placing it in the public domain， is to hopefully make the ignorant more aware that we are in fact in a spiritual battle between the forces of good & evil， which as I understand it has been happening ever since that fateful day when both Adam & Eve ate of the forbidden fruit ie Tree of Life， setting off events as described in the Holy Bible （our instructions）。If you believe this is too out there to be True， then try posting this info on the larger social media platforms and see what happens。。。。。。you 'only' get this kind of response as meaningful Truth has no place in this （Satan's） world。。。。。。。Shalom。 。。。more
Predrag
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Not quiete a new view but then again it's very useful isight into workings of a teacher。 Not quiete a new view but then again it's very useful isight into workings of a teacher。 。。。more
Mj
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Brilliant！ Wish I'd known about this before my Saturn return。 I'm learning Saturn's lessons a little later and this book has been a great help in understanding old mate Saturn。 Beautifully written。 Brilliant！ Wish I'd known about this before my Saturn return。 I'm learning Saturn's lessons a little later and this book has been a great help in understanding old mate Saturn。 Beautifully written。 。。。more
Caritas
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A very negative view of Saturn。 Perhaps this was seen as more constructive when it was written， but now it seems needlessly damning。 Saturn is a big influencer in my chart and I see it as part of my success in life - hard won sure - but substantial。 According to this book I’m statistically （what are these statistics？） most likely to become depressed and commit suicide！！ Also the houses are NOT the same as the signs。
Nicole Barrett
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An arrogant and judgmental writing styleI found the author's writing style to be arrogant and judgmental especially when it comes to Christians and Christianity。 I also found it ironic that a book about synthesizing the view of Saturn being a negative planet in Astrology with a new more positive look at Saturn is so quick to dismiss and judge Christians instead of being able to also synthesize Christianity and Astrology which are often at odds with each other。 As someone who likes astrology and An arrogant and judgmental writing styleI found the author's writing style to be arrogant and judgmental especially when it comes to Christians and Christianity。 I also found it ironic that a book about synthesizing the view of Saturn being a negative planet in Astrology with a new more positive look at Saturn is so quick to dismiss and judge Christians instead of being able to also synthesize Christianity and Astrology which are often at odds with each other。 As someone who likes astrology and metaphysical matters but also identifies as Christian， I found this odd。 I was so disturbed by the narcissistic writing style， that I quickly read only the Saturn parts relating to my birth chart and had to close the book。 。。。more
Aline
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I'm blown away about Liz' understanding about astrology and psychology！ This was my first book by her。Saturn is quite dominant in my chart and this gave me so much more insight into how he functions and behaves in aspects with the other planets。 I'm blown away about Liz' understanding about astrology and psychology！ This was my first book by her。Saturn is quite dominant in my chart and this gave me so much more insight into how he functions and behaves in aspects with the other planets。 。。。more
Astralbear13
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This book contains some of the most priceless descriptions of Saturn and its alchemy though each zodiac and with each other planet。 So thorough and brilliant。 Genius in fact！
Erin
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Hopelessly dated when it comes to gender and sexuality， but otherwise an invaluable resource if you care about your Saturn placement and especially if you've needed to be talked off a ledge over it。 Hopelessly dated when it comes to gender and sexuality， but otherwise an invaluable resource if you care about your Saturn placement and especially if you've needed to be talked off a ledge over it。 。。。more
Priyadharshni
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Eye-opening。 Instead of asking you to resign yourself to the impending doom， this book offers helps you to see the opportunities that comes with difficult Saturn placement and aspects in your natal chart and how to integrate that in your Self。
Renée
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Wanted to enjoy this dark planet mythology but it was too meandering and hetero/gendernormative。 Meh。
Kar Lokan
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While this is a classic， and a must read for every astrologer in the making， I must confess Green is sometimes very dull in her style。 Information provided is of course top notch - as one would expect from such a commended astrologer。 Fitting to the Saturn theme I guess :）
M。
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An entire book about Saturn and its influences and interactions with just about everything else in your chart。 Very nice， especially if you， like me， have a peculiar attraction to Saturn。
Colin McPhillamy
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When this book was first published in the 1970s it became a best-seller， it really hit the zeitgeist。 People would talk about about it at dinner parties in London whilst looking wise with new insight。 The message of the book was truly exciting， i。e。 that Saturn could be looked at in a positive - or at least a creative - light。 In traditional astrology Saturn was the bad guy， the greater malefic， but now suddenly the slow lessons of Saturn; patience， persistence， discipline， could perhaps transfo When this book was first published in the 1970s it became a best-seller， it really hit the zeitgeist。 People would talk about about it at dinner parties in London whilst looking wise with new insight。 The message of the book was truly exciting， i。e。 that Saturn could be looked at in a positive - or at least a creative - light。 In traditional astrology Saturn was the bad guy， the greater malefic， but now suddenly the slow lessons of Saturn; patience， persistence， discipline， could perhaps transform our natures if only we could master our fear， our isolation， our failures and all manner of obstacles internal and external。 Saturn has gone around the Sun at least a turn and a half since the book first came out。 Liz Greene went on to found the CPA and inspire a psychological perspective。 If you have a serious interest it's worth reading anything she has written。 mcphillamytarot。com 。。。more
Brian Sullivan
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I found the early history of the Saturn myth a compelling read。
Brian Collins
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This is an excellent book especially if anyone wishes to refine their knowledge and skill regarding the planets and their transits。 This book looks at the myths and symbols of Saturn in the context of Saturn's position in a chart/horoscope。 It is an accessible， clear， concise and enjoyable read that sheds an interesting perspective on Saturn。 It is not just a reference manual but also the type of book that you could read from cover to cover and find interesting nuggets throughout。 This is an excellent book especially if anyone wishes to refine their knowledge and skill regarding the planets and their transits。 This book looks at the myths and symbols of Saturn in the context of Saturn's position in a chart/horoscope。 It is an accessible， clear， concise and enjoyable read that sheds an interesting perspective on Saturn。 It is not just a reference manual but also the type of book that you could read from cover to cover and find interesting nuggets throughout。 。。。more
Melissa
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Liz Greene's surprisingly accessible guide to Saturn in the birthchart。 Anyone with a basic knowledge astrology can benefit from her insight。 Liz Greene's surprisingly accessible guide to Saturn in the birthchart。 Anyone with a basic knowledge astrology can benefit from her insight。 。。。more
Ethan
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Anyone with some basic knowledge of Astrology knows that all the planets have a way of effecting us。 Amongst all the planets of our solar system， one of the most notorious for his influence is Saturn， the father of Capricorn （the Goat）。 For centuries Astrologers agreed upon the idea of Saturn being a planet which heralds only negative influence upon people （fear， restrictions， overbearing caution。。。）。In this insightful little book， Liz Greene defies this old tradition and digs deep into the hidd Anyone with some basic knowledge of Astrology knows that all the planets have a way of effecting us。 Amongst all the planets of our solar system， one of the most notorious for his influence is Saturn， the father of Capricorn （the Goat）。 For centuries Astrologers agreed upon the idea of Saturn being a planet which heralds only negative influence upon people （fear， restrictions， overbearing caution。。。）。In this insightful little book， Liz Greene defies this old tradition and digs deep into the hidden world of Saturn， the ruler of time。 In a stunning way， Greene shows her readers how Saturn's supposedly negative influence actually leads to fortification of an individual's strength， his determination and much more。 At the same time， the author shows common patterns in personalities etc。 when Saturn is at specific angles on the Birth Chart。Since I'm lucky enough to know my exact time of birth， I was able to verify the things written down in this book not only to be true， but also stunningly precise！ Ranging from the troubled conditions of my birth to the relationship I have with my parents。。。 Everything I wanted to learn about Saturn， I discovered by reading this intriguing book。 5 stars！ 。。。more
Yota
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Ms。 Greene's matter-of-fact psychological insights can make you want to kill yourself， but they are pretty much always correct。 whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger Ms。 Greene's matter-of-fact psychological insights can make you want to kill yourself， but they are pretty much always correct。 whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger 。。。more
Ellen
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If you are into psychological astrology， this is probably one of the best offerings in that field。 This is not easy or light reading， but there are quite a few insights to be found。
Jennifer Anguiano
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